• flying_sheep@lemmy.ml
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    These aren’t serious. Their mission statements are nothing but childish contrariness.

    E.g. Artix has a “no true Scotsman” right in their tagline about “real” init system. Only 14 year old master debaters will attempt to deny that systemd is a “real” init system with a straight face.

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      Of course is this gargantuan monstrosity an init system, but it compares to an real init system like a mouse compares to a whale

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        If you criticize something because of perceived bloat, maybe don’t make it the mouse in your metaphor.

        And no, it’s a great init system that has all the features one wants. That’s why it ended up taking over: it was the first really good init system that introduced actual dependencies and so on.

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          That is so true. For me, who works as a Systemadministrator, systemd is about the best thing that happened to linux in a long time! It makes my work so much easier

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            That’s what the problem with systemd is. It started out as a “modern” init system but somehow we ended up with some kind of parasitic software heap that tries to replace the userspace.

            I mean the latest addition is some kind of OS installer.

            To quote James T. Kirk: “why does an init system need an OS installer.”

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                Yeah, they should do an init system instead of reinventing an operating system.

                That’s the main problem I have with it.

                Of course advocates of systemd will say it’s modular, but there is some kind of capture process going on - you have to relay on the systemd solution, because it fits nicely into the systems ecosystem …

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              I fear you missunderstood me: I think systemd with all the integrated features and tools is great, having all the features and tools is such a huge benefit for a professionell sysadmin who has to connect to and administrate lots of customer server every day.

              But that is my opinion, I fully accept that people don’t like systemd and that’s the great thing with Linux: If you don’t like a component then you are free to drop it and use something else. So have fun with your systemd free systems!

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                I’m totally with you on that. I use systemd daily and it has enormous benefits for system administration, but I don’t like the direction it’s headed and how the project is lead. That’s what I wanted to bring across here.

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          It took only over because it was pushed by big tech and its bootlickers

          In the company I work for NO system uses Systemd and it will stay this way until someone takes my model m keyboard from my cold dead hands!

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            Your conspiracy myth is wrong, and if you actually care about what’s true, you can confirm what I say very easily for yourself:

            Just go to the mailing list archives and forums and follow the decision making discussions of the time. E.g. Arch Linux. This will quickly and decisively convince you that “big tech” had nothing to do with it.

            But you don’t care about the truth, do you? You just want the comfortable position of being able to look down on all the mainstream fools.