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Proton: “We’re consolidating our social media presence due to limited resources and no longer posting on Mastodon. Follow us on Reddit for the latest updates”
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If Proton does not refer to the Steam’s Windows adapter layer for Linux, I don’t care.
“We hate that our CEO keeps getting called out and slammed by our followers so we’re gonna stick our fingers in our ears”
Also good time to remind everyone Tuta exists :) https://tuta.com/
Would’ve switched in a heartbeat with IMAP support but that’s not in the cards. Stuck with Proton for now.
I’ve been using Tuta Mail for a few years now. No complaints. Most of the features you would expect. Lack of IMAP support is kinda disappointing but survivable. Their email security is very strong though — they encrypt every part of your email, including subject (some providers only encrypt the body). They’re also rolling out post-quantum encryption of email data at rest, which tickles my crypto nerd side.
They’ve still a loong way to go to match Proton’s product suite though, as they only offer Email, Contacts and Calendar for now. They’re working on Drive storage next, which is the main reason I currently use Proton.
This is the first time hearing about Tuta, Thank you
Tuta is fantastic.
Btw, their Mastodon account has more followers than their Bluesky and Threads accounts combined, both of which they are keeping. What a stupid decision.
Does this have anything to do with the CEO expressing his support for Trump? I can’t imagine how, but there are some odd decisions being made at Proton lately.
Almost certainly, yes.
People on Mastodon are not happy about those statements, and called Proton out on it relentlessly with every post Proton made. This is Proton running away with their tail between their legs, back to platforms where they have more control and/or are already full of right-wing nutjobs.
If anyone’s looking for secure email, look at tuta.com instead. The email service is very similar in terms of UX and offers better encryption. They don’t offer the rest of Proton’s suite, but…maybe that’s a good thing? I mean, do you want to get locked into an ecosystem?
In what way is Tuta’s encryption better?
…“the reality is that Republicans remain more likely to tackle Big Tech abuses.”
Like doge having our social security and Treasury wallet+keys? >.>
He can suck my ass and nutts.
From a historical perspective, he wasn’t wrong. The republicans were looking more at big tech cause, in the past, big tech was very left leaning. Things have obviously changed but your quote misses that he was hopeful that Trump would do something for big tech. His hope is obviously miss placed after big tech started sicking his dick but doesn’t mean he couldn’t be hopeful
It was still a completely naive and idiotic thing to say and doesn’t show the forethought and strategic thinking that comes with being a good CEO, especially one of a service that could literally put people’s lives in danger if jeopardized.
So it’s naive to voice his opinion on what a Trump presidency could mean for the tech industry? Looking back to trump’s previous term big tech shunned him and Twitter even kicked him off the platform by the end of his presidency. Back then it pissed Trump off and he threatened all sorts of shit. I don’t think it was that crazy to think that he would still be upset about it and try to do something at the begining of December when Proton’s CEO made that post.
If you look at what proton is trying to do in terms of becoming a complete non-proffit that would have many safeguards in place to undo that change. I think it does show he has some level of forethought. The one caveat being that they have not completed that process and implemented everything yet so we’ll have to see if that promise follows through
I used tuta for a while, while they are working the best they can, I ended up leaving the platform. The app, ui, desktop app are really annoying to me. I found their antispam really lacking too.
However their work is still very impressive and they were always honest.
Their damage was already done with that CEO statement (for me), since after those remarks I cancelled my VPN plan with them. I’m not someone who’s going to then follow them around and post negative comments on their Mastodon, X, reddit account whenever they post. I’m just going to walk away.
So, they will move to where their base is, just like trump did and they can sell there stuff to a smaller percentage of the market if they want. I will never understand why a company would actively try to cut their sales base in half or whatever.
They also can’t control the narrative on Mastodon like they do on Reddit and Lemmy through “volunteer mod” Nelizea. I’m glad I quit using them — they are becoming tech bro chuds (or maybe always were but just hid it better)
How do they control the narrative around here?
Imo it’s more like leaving the town full of bullies… completely understandable, I would do the same. Insane amount of hate, for one mistake. People can only see black and white these days…
“One mistake” would be if he didn’t double-down on it, and if Proton addressed their customers’ concerns in any meaningful way. Instead, they deleted posts and are now withdrawing from the community entirely, and directing users to three of the worst corporate hell-holes on the internet.
Agreed. I don’t support their decision to leave mastadon but I totally understand why they did it. Proton is on our side (as much as a company can be) so I don’t get why people keep ripping into them for something that isn’t true. He wasn’t saying he supported Trump, he just hoped the republican party would do something about big tech. Not gonna happen but we can all agree we hope it’ll happen
If you read the whole thing again, he is supporting Trump and the Republicans.
Here is the CEO’s post along with a link to an article with the twitter link.
Great pick by @realDonaldTrump. 10 years ago, Republicans were the party of big business and Dems stood for the little guys, but today the tables have completely turned. People forget that the current antitrust actions against Big Tech were started under the first Trump admin.
He is supporting Trump’s pick for a roll, fair enough. But the rest of the post, he is talking about how he hopes the republicans will do something about big tech. He isn’t endorsing Trump himself or his stance of policies. Far as I’ve seen he never has. He it literally just stating what the republicans used to be about.
You must be new to the internet. People make a drama out of every little shit.
Little shit like praising literal hitler for some other things he did, besides the genocide.
Lol, here comes the drama. And I say that as a person on the opposite spectrum of Trump.
:D apparently yes. it’s still sad to see. There wasn’t a single post done by proton that didn’t immediately derail into people blaming about “the issue”, and they just couldn’t stop. Not a fun time, and there isn’t anything the company can do to convince these people otherwise, they are just a lost in hate
I don’t think I’ll be renewing
Check your renewal date. Mine auto-renewed today without any prior notification that it was coming up.
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That’s where you lost me. Not for now, for good.
Yeah damn that hurts. Just signed up for tuta. I will be leaving proton soon I guess. A shame, I had just finished moving all my communications there…
Smells like non technical reasons
Wonser if the media manager there got fired or something. Should look at their jobs board
I liked electrons and neutrons better anyways…
Underrated comment, right here!!
Damn, reddit, really? That sucks 🙁
Whats the problem with creating one message and using the APIs for posting it on all social medai? With optional formatting per platform?
Because these bridges are one way only.
They will get spicy replies on niche platforms, not see them until they go viral in a bad way.
Ohh that’s a fair point! Maybe there’s a way of fixing that by adding some “post your concerns over on reddit” or something similar, but idk.
Even so. It’ll be an unmoderated by them section of conversation about their company. Probably a hard pass from any company with an HR department.
I think you mean PR department.
Twitter API costs $$$ to use
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Proton just dropping the ball over and over again these days. That’s why I’m working on migrating from their sevices, then deleting my Proton account.
The only thing Proton has going for it that Tuta does not is the
.onionsite and even that constantly leaks to clearweb so fuck’em.I still don’t know how to feel about Proton, even with an early (and continued) email presence there. Reddit? I see this post because of lemmy.world and fedia.
Well, read comments under their latest posts on Mastodon. Solid shitstorm of 9 Beaufort since more than a month.
I did weeks of work migrating every password and email address to proton. Sucks the stances they are taking but now I’m kinda stuck, and it’s still better than Google.
Im sure there are tools/scripts for migrating easily. Proton is a sinking ship, anyone who denies it is just lying to themselves at this point.
That’s impossible, the email aliases are under their domain. You’d have to change all your accounts. I’m not doing that again. Hopefully they just change their tune.
Bittwarden or KeyPassXC are good self-hosteable alternatives.
Yeah but without email aliases it would not be worth it
Bitwarden integrates directly with several email alias providers: https://bitwarden.com/blog/add-privacy-and-security-using-email-aliases-with-bitwarden/
Tuta has a catch-all option that you could consider. Makes it so you can make any email address under your domain and it’ll get to your mailbox.
What do you mean by email aliases?
Every account I have on the internet has a unique randomly generated email that forwards to my real email.
iCloud and Proton are the two big names that support this. It’s invaluable.
There are other options for email aliases. iCloud has a pretty robust system, and its ubiquity makes it less likely to be filtered.
If it’s an unknown or less popular service they are less likely to add it to a blacklist IME
True, but that’s defense by concealment. If they notice the domain, they can block it without harming their business. My argument is that iCloud is too large for them to block.
I’ve been using neomailbox for almost 10 years for this, so maybe check them out
Ah, I see the confusion. Originally you mentioned two Proton services, password manager and email provider. The person who replied to you suggested two alternative password managers (one commercial, the other one FOSS). You then replied saying without a specific email feature it would be pointless, which would be fair for an alternative email provider but doesn’t apply in this case.
Well since in proton the email alias feature is integrated into the password manager (which is really useful) I don’t see them as that unlinked. It would be like having a password manager without the ability to make random passwords, basically pointless. One compromised service and my email will be spammed across the internet until the end of time.
Proton doing shady proton things again. Who would have guessed that.
