As the article notes, the increase seems to be driven mainly by users in Asia, where recycling and reusing older hardware is quite common. I wonder if third-party companies are offering extended security patches there, which could make affordable second-hand Windows 7 machines more appealing for people who just need them for browsing or light tasks. It would certainly make sense given recent fiascos and Microsoft’s current stance on AI, especially with generative AI being used to develop system-level code.
I don’t get why people prefer to go to an unsafe version of windows instead of trying Linux. Nowadays there is many friendly distro.
They feel more at home with it. And they shouldn’t be told how to use anything. Windows NT, were it cleared from all the mess, would be a very fine OS.
Or maybe something like AmigaOS or Haiku.
It’s a demand that Linux doesn’t fulfill, some sort of rebirth of Amiga could.
Lack of education and training really.
I only knew of Linux because I saw some dude use Linux in 2012. And then a few years later, I finally decided to try it out as it was easier for work. After a lot of false starts, I finally started switching around 2021.
Going to imagine most people are the same - get experience from it and then have a reason to use it daily.
Its so dumb. Linux is the only way to actually get out from under the thumb of Microsoft and its so easy these days to switch.
Linux is the only way to actually get out from under the thumb of Microsoft
Aside from macos, bsd, ChromeOS, android, iOS, and templeos, sure.
I dont think being under the thumb of Google or Apple is any better. And Linux is just a much better choice than bsd for almost all people. That being said, I was impressed to learn that hacker news run their entire site on a single server with openbsd. :)
A friend of mine was still on win7 and just recently made the switch to linux. In the end the issue was that most of the software stopped working.
I hated when software didn’t work on Windows. After switching to Linux my mouse, keyboard, monitor, hard drive, OS, and software don’t work 😂
(this comment is a joke I love 🐧)
Nobody should be using old versions of Windows that no longer get security updates. Either switch to Linux and install all of the latest security updates, or enable the coming year of security updates on Windows 10, or run Windows 11.
Agree for a main computer but there’s no risk when using Windows 7 or XP on an offline machine.
If it were offline machines, then they wouldn’t be on these statistics
Fair point, I guess some people might want to do that to play old games or something like that.
They should make a Windows version called Windows 10P which is the same as Windows 10 but only the bare-bones necessities and no extra crap or required online services, and sell it for $59.99 (seeing that Windows is already de facto freeware). That’s probably an order of magnitude than what they make from intrusive advertising anyway to a single user over the lifespan of a computer.
This already exists, and it doesn’t cost $60. What you want is the Windows 10 IoT LTSC Edition.
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Why do you keep saying that? Lol
I don’t know, but I find myself mentioning it often enough I feel like somebody ought to be paying me for it.
I use this on my DJ laptop. It’s nice because it doesn’t constantly bother you with bullshit, and is extremely stable.
Anyone still stuck on 10 who isn’t ready for Linux just yet should give LTSC a try. You’ll probably like it. It’s not going away anytime soon, either, because it is used in mission critical things like ATMs and cash registers that need to just work without being bothered with constant updates and reboots nor being bombarded with ads.
How about a Win 7 Remaster? Since there’s been a lot of them recently.
No way they will do that. The value for microsoft these days is in harvesting their victims info and forcing them in to their walled garden.
Walled garden? Windows? Do you even understand what a “walled garden” is?
They have been trying to force a microsoft accounts on everyone. I know what a walled garden is and when Microsoft looks at apples they are jealous. Remember S mode? The shitbox machines microsoft pushed out that could only use their app store. That is the end goal for them. They just can’t sell it.
My current problem is keeping copilot and recall off of our public computers. People are using them and want them clear of spyware and intrusive monitoring. You can not really get rid of any of the microsoft software since they now cache it on the computer. Anytime someone new logs in it puts 365 and copilot on their profile. If you delete it from the cache its back the next update cycle. They have begun putting notepad and basic programs in the cache. So you can’t just kill it by making the cache path inaccessible. They are gearing up to close off all holes and force their app store onto everyone. They are working toward a walled garden where everyone has a microsoft account.
So maybe you don’t know what a walled garden is? You don’t understand that they have everything in place to lock out any third party software. They have recall, a huge security risk to train up their AI’s. You can’t believe anything they say about it. I know this because I’ve been around since the dos floppies had the IBM logo on them.
They have a unmanageable cache of software downloading without consent that uses their app store and if you kill it with a gpo you start having problems with basic functions. They killed wsus because it could be used to lock out their garbage. Despite operating in a domain environment I still see messages on accounts urging people to link a microsoft account.
So please tell me about what I know or don’t know.
You don’t know that a walled garden requires them to lock you in to only install from their store, while windows lets you install anything you want however you want. While S mode exists, it’s never going to be the only mode because people need legacy win32 programs and all sorts of custom programs. Microsoft know that removing that ability will destroy Windows, which is why they haven’t.
Copilot has options to not collect data etc. copilot and recall are completely optional - you don’t have to use them. They’re not “spyware”.
I’ve been around since floppy disks too. You should know better than what you just wrote if you have been around this long.
Your username is a downright lie and you sound like you haven’t actually used windows since 7. Keep drinking the microsoft propaganda, you are clearly the target audience after all.
Yeah I’m done this guy doesn’t know anything.
You don’t understand freedom then. You’re free to not use windows, and Microsoft are free to make their product how they see fit.
I use windows every single day. I use copilot for work almost every day in multiple different flavours (windows client, vs code, GitHub, and even made a mcp server using copilot agent to use in teams for departments at work to use to get info from various databases), and I know the privacy aspects of it. In windows in copilots settings you can do what I said - turn off learning from your usage, and turn off personalised content using your other data. You can even disable the copilot app from starting on boot the same way you do every other program, through task manager.
Sane with recall - it’s entirely “on device”, encrypted, secure, optional, and isn’t even available on 99.9% of devices as they don’t have an NPU.
There is no need to try and disable/remove them - just don’t use them if you don’t want to. Why do you think you need to disable/remove them?
Computers that are too new for Windows 7 come with Windows 10 preinstalled on them though. Who would buy an extra copy? You can debloat Windows 10 with a debloater tool
People who build their own computers, AKA the group most likely to complain about this
It would be of lower value to them without the data-gathering and the AI injection.
The data makes them money. The AI helps th justify their investment, but also gives them data to ad to their models.
win7, my beloved. that uxtheme.dll got patched so many times…
within the past month? what all these people in Asia suddenly found a stockpile of machines with Win7 on them and all, collectively, decided “yeah lets just use these”?
I don’t buy it.
It is spoofed someone wants people to thinks it it Windows 7.
It’s almost as if there’s a demand for meat and potatoes OS.
JFC I wish I could go back to win 7, I had to get win 11 and I’ve never hated an os like this in my life. My favorite part is how I have no control over it changing the things I actually use. No sorry, my favorite part is how right around the time an update is about to come out my windows starts crashing and locking up. It’s amazing.
I still have my old Win7 pro disk with unlimited installs :p
I didn’t think i would ever use it, but I’m also not ever gonna use win11, so maybe upgrading from 10 to 7 will be my plan for my windows needs if they are both gonna be insecure anyway.
7 is just the best OS Microsoft has made, it’s been downhill since.
Tbf proton evolving fast as he doing, soon i won’t even will need windows beside my workplace notebook
Switched to Linux a couple years ago and at this point it is rare that a game doesn’t “just work” and even rarer when it still won’t work after trying other versions of proton in the Steam compatibility settings for the game.
Depending on if there is a specific game you know doesn’t work that is a deal breaker for you, it might be fine at this point to switch. Just throwing that out there. You may not need more compatibility than what is available.
Yeah I think a lot of people don’t understand how far it’s come. Often even games that Steam lists as “unsupported” will work with some very light tinkering.
Using wine and Proton, I’ve been able to play old windows games that haven’t worked on real windows for over two decades.
How moddings tool like MO2 and the mods from nexus are behaving on Linux ?
Also, PCVR, playing HALF LIFE ALYX, Arizona Sunshine, OpenMW VR are huge deal breakers for me
I don’t think I’ve actually played any of those so I can’t speak to them but hopefully someone else can. There is a website you can check compatibility on although I don’t know if it includes non-games and/or tools. Arizona Sunshine looks like it’s fine: https://www.protondb.com/search?q=arizona+sunshine
If it’s gold or higher it’ll almost certainly play without issue. Silver will very likely play if you tweak the compatibility settings to change proton versions (go to game options in steam > compatibility > change the version. Bronze is hit or miss, you’ll likely be able to get it to work but it might require more work. Borked is of course…borked.
Anyways, someone else can probably answer those games specifically but if not you can use the website to check.
If the world weren’t networked the way it is now (I’m not against global connectivity as a thing, just how it works now), any kind of old software and hardware could be used. Because security and things breaking without the Internet are the main reasons why people update.
So more ppl are re-purposing old, legacy win7 machines despite security risk…
Completely clueless about anything linux or floss in that matter wether even if there where lighter distros with better hardware support & enough apps for everyday office needs & more.Like win7 can’t even run any UWP apps, photoshop or steam anymore.
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