The drama and accusations the GrapheneOS developers are spewing and engaging in are giving me a bad taste in the mouth and make me doubt the OS’s reliability am I the only one?

  • limer@lemmy.ml
    562·
    2 months ago

    I would prefer my privacy software to be developed by people like this, rather than people who are calm and flexible

    • paper_moon@lemmy.world
      324·
      2 months ago

      Its all fine until their approach of privacy or security differs with what’s best for the project, then there’s no reasoning with them to fix it because they’re not calm and flexible. Then ya gotta fork it and get everyone to transition to the new fork, and get developers back onboard, etc.

      A crazy, but pointed example of something like this could be: the dude could just claim grapheneos going forward will not have networking anymore because thats an attack vector, and at that point the project doesn’t even suite anyone’s needs to be used as a smartphone anymore. How are you gonna reason with someone like this that, while keeping networking in the project is an attack vector, its necessary to be able to use the project for it’s intended use case? You probably aren’t

      • Corridor8031@lemmy.ml
        2·
        2 months ago

        Not sure why this completly made up hypothetical scenario has so many upvotes. There is litteraly no evidence of this happening.

        Even the opposite is the case, just recently with the preview releases which are opt-in.

    • PiraHxCx@lemmy.mlEnglish
      205·
      2 months ago

      The guy being paranoid asshole is passable, what I thought a really shit move is calling the community to create alt accs to harass people from other projects and saying he will ban anyone that complains. The Rossmann video is quite shocking, you see the dev’s complete disassociation with reality… yeah the code is open, but how many people outside the project are really auditing it? Even people inside the project, are they auditing each others’ work? If the guy doesn’t get treatment, how long until he decides his own userbase is after him?

      • ganymede@lemmy.ml
        81·
        2 months ago

        admittedly i’m not up to date on all the drama, but i thought that graphene saw themselves as victims of alt attacks?

        • PiraHxCx@lemmy.mlEnglish
          171·
          2 months ago

          So yeah, it seems like he accuses everyone of persecuting and harassing him, but in those videos there are several examples of what he considers persecuting and harassing. Both channels were highly supportive of the project and actively promoted it, but because they would also promote other projects and do benchmark tests, they were “spreading misinformation”, “being biased”, “campaigning against him” and so on. And in the second video he accused the guy of campaigning against him just for saying “This is informative, and unfortunate” about the first video lol. So him being a “victim” is just his lack of proper medication, because anyone who asked him about such attacks, if he had prints or so, was also accused of attacking him lol

          https://youtu.be/Dx7CZ-2Bajg
          https://youtu.be/4To-F6W1NT0

          Undoubtly GrapheneOS is the best project out there, so yeah, this is unfortunate.

        • PiraHxCx@lemmy.mlEnglish
          1·
          2 months ago

          Very documented.
          Just the other day when GOS publicly said on X “It’s very possible Murena and/or iodé are involved” in the supposed French police/government harassment (so far this whole “government sponsored campaign” was one journalist from one private newspaper that contacted them after talking to one cop and made one article saying criminals like GOS and police don’t), the guy from Murena posted on Mastodon “I’d like to state very clearly that Murena and e Foundation are not related in case to this ridiculous and pseudo-drama. What we seek is to totally ignore these guys, and have nothing to do with them. And again, and again, despite what they are repeating, we are NOT competitors, as we are not in the hardened-security market spaces.”, then a GOS fake account showed up saying “very funny to quote from a report filled with misinformation without checking and use it as an excuse to attack GrapheneOs. GrapheneOS never said Murena and iode are associated with French government” BUT they LITERALLY said “It’s very possible Murena and/or iodé are involved” and now are pretending the accusation is misinformation and they are the ones being attacked lol https://infosec.exchange/@deacon3484/115609244634105198
          Also it seem that whenever you directly quote or take a screenshot of what they are saying, you are lying and spreading misinformation, they can’t take responsibility for anything, it’s quite sad - I wouldn’t be surprised if I was to be accused of engaging a harassment campaign against them as well, even though I never went to any of their channels nor talked to any of them, my whole interaction with GOS was that one reply to a fake acc they created (edit: Not a fake acc, possibly not related to GOS, so in that case I never had contact with anyone from GOS)