Then why have seasoned programmers accepted that getting an LLM to generate messy code, then tidying it up, is often faster than writing 2 dozen lines themselves?
Or myself, I use it with TTRPGs, to simplify NPC creation under a set of structured rules. I still play the characters as unique individuals, but being able to click a button and have 4 personality points to base any nameless NPC around is a lot more fun and dynamic than trying to come up with new characters I didn’t expect the group to speak to, on the spot.
Claiming it does not have any uses at all seems like an expression of your own lack of creativity, or willingness to adapt to new technology. I don’t need to worship the tech-bros to find a use for new technologies.
Can GenAI replace a human? No. There is no context in which human work can be fully replaced by GenAI. But that doesn’t mean it cannot simplify and enhance skilled workers that understand its limitations and use it to increase their own productivity.
Is it possible you’re so engrossed in anger and disgust at how it is being marketed, that you’re deciding to hate the entire concept rather than the fact it is bring misused, and it’s capabilities are being wildly exaggerated to the point of lies? Or that the disgusting manipulation of empty promises on empty promises on empty promises, with the bullshit happening around RAM prices, GPU prices, etc. Or entire workforces being fired in order to be replaced by LLMs is making you prejudiced against the tool, rather than those using it to justify abuse and idiocy?
If hammers were used to kill more people than guns or knives, would you claim there is no reason to ever use or own a hammer?
Then why have seasoned programmers accepted that getting an LLM to generate messy code, then tidying it up, is often faster than writing 2 dozen lines themselves?
I don’t know that they have.
The problem is not that it’s not faster but that this causes a deep influence on the code, as well as being full of bugs that are glossed over in the thousands of lines of code.
Claiming it does not have any uses at all seems like an expression of your own lack of creativity
LOOOOOLOLOL pot meet kettle.
But that doesn’t mean it cannot simplify and enhance skilled workers that understand its limitations and use it to increase their own productivity.
It can’t. It can only be used to generate lazy bug-ridden garbage.
Is it possible you’re so engrossed in anger and disgust at how it is being marketed, that you’re deciding to hate the entire concept
Is it possible that how it’s being marketed makes makes you overlook the bug-ridden garbage that it pumps out?
No, it’s possible that I used it and found it to be wrong a majority of the time and that actually just doing it myself is faster and less error-prone. If you only want to pump out trash then by all means. But I don’t want any part of it.
If hammers were used
I’m so tired of this nonsense. A hammer does not do anything that I do not explicitly make it do. I do not ask a hammer to install the roof and then it runs around driving nails into all the windows.
Why didn’t you remark on my own usage? You’re speaking from your own experience but seem to be ignoring others. Your personal experience is not more valid than others. Or are you convinced that 100% of people who have found any degree of use for it have some how been tricked?
Edit.
Upon re-reading your reply, I have to ask a simple question. What would need to be demonstrated in order to change your mind? If you can think of an honest criteria, we can keep talking about it. If your first response is to say “There is literally nothing that can change my mind.” Then this is not a discussion, it is simply you expressing anger and indignation.
And I’m sorry to say, but if you’re engaging in conversation without a single iota of willingness to see the other sides perspective or reasoning, then you’re a bad conversation partner and are consciously choosing to be arrogant, even if your side is the “Correct” side.
Have I come across as rude or dismissive that you felt the need to mock and belittle me? I tried to form my response respectfully while pointing out possible areas of bias.
You’re speaking from your own experience but seem to be ignoring others
I am not ignoring anything, I just literally cannot speak to your experience. I can only speak to mine.
Or are you convinced that 100% of people who have found any degree of use for it have some how been tricked?
They’ve been grifted, yes. I know they have because I’ve had these conversations over and over again. They come to me with some sort of untrue statement. I ask them where they got it. They say Google. I ask them if it’s the AI Overview and they say yes. I ask them where the AI got that information. They have no idea. I use a real search engine, find an authoritative source that directly and clearly refutes their statement, and they’re confused as to how I got it. They are completely ignorant to the fact that it’s constantly wrong and that it’s use is literally making them dumber, not only because the answer is wrong, but because they’re not actually exercising their brain to find it.
You should speak to others experiences because you are making the universal statement that is has literally no uses, contrary to many people stating they have, in fact, found uses for it.
So either every single person that believes they have found a novel use for it is wrong. Or you have universally decided that none of their experiences are valid in forming your opinion.
Considering I have found a use for it, that does not require it to write code, paint pictures, or tell me I’m right about everything, why is my usage invalid in nullifying your statement that “GenAI does not have any uses.”
There is no ambiguity in that statement, and yet I have found use for it.
My brother in Christ, what did I just say? I literally cannot. I don’t know anything about your experiences. They’re your experiences. And I just finished explaining exactly how people’s experiences are invalid because they don’t understand what’s happening. What do you want?
You’re contradicting yourself and not seeing it. You’re universally saying it has absolutely no uses, and using your own experiences and others, as evidence. When counter-evidence is provided, you dismiss it because you can only speak from your own experiences.
Either other peoples experiences are valid, and you must accept that some people have found genuine uses for the technology, despite your hatred for the industry and the false marketing around it.
Or other peoples experiences are not valid, in which case there’s no point in talking about anything, because you will not consider it valid unless you personally experience it.
Then why have seasoned programmers accepted that getting an LLM to generate messy code, then tidying it up, is often faster than writing 2 dozen lines themselves?
Or myself, I use it with TTRPGs, to simplify NPC creation under a set of structured rules. I still play the characters as unique individuals, but being able to click a button and have 4 personality points to base any nameless NPC around is a lot more fun and dynamic than trying to come up with new characters I didn’t expect the group to speak to, on the spot.
Claiming it does not have any uses at all seems like an expression of your own lack of creativity, or willingness to adapt to new technology. I don’t need to worship the tech-bros to find a use for new technologies.
Can GenAI replace a human? No. There is no context in which human work can be fully replaced by GenAI. But that doesn’t mean it cannot simplify and enhance skilled workers that understand its limitations and use it to increase their own productivity.
Is it possible you’re so engrossed in anger and disgust at how it is being marketed, that you’re deciding to hate the entire concept rather than the fact it is bring misused, and it’s capabilities are being wildly exaggerated to the point of lies? Or that the disgusting manipulation of empty promises on empty promises on empty promises, with the bullshit happening around RAM prices, GPU prices, etc. Or entire workforces being fired in order to be replaced by LLMs is making you prejudiced against the tool, rather than those using it to justify abuse and idiocy?
If hammers were used to kill more people than guns or knives, would you claim there is no reason to ever use or own a hammer?
I don’t know that they have.
The problem is not that it’s not faster but that this causes a deep influence on the code, as well as being full of bugs that are glossed over in the thousands of lines of code.
LOOOOOLOLOL pot meet kettle.
It can’t. It can only be used to generate lazy bug-ridden garbage.
Is it possible that how it’s being marketed makes makes you overlook the bug-ridden garbage that it pumps out?
No, it’s possible that I used it and found it to be wrong a majority of the time and that actually just doing it myself is faster and less error-prone. If you only want to pump out trash then by all means. But I don’t want any part of it.
I’m so tired of this nonsense. A hammer does not do anything that I do not explicitly make it do. I do not ask a hammer to install the roof and then it runs around driving nails into all the windows.
Why didn’t you remark on my own usage? You’re speaking from your own experience but seem to be ignoring others. Your personal experience is not more valid than others. Or are you convinced that 100% of people who have found any degree of use for it have some how been tricked?
Edit.
Upon re-reading your reply, I have to ask a simple question. What would need to be demonstrated in order to change your mind? If you can think of an honest criteria, we can keep talking about it. If your first response is to say “There is literally nothing that can change my mind.” Then this is not a discussion, it is simply you expressing anger and indignation.
And I’m sorry to say, but if you’re engaging in conversation without a single iota of willingness to see the other sides perspective or reasoning, then you’re a bad conversation partner and are consciously choosing to be arrogant, even if your side is the “Correct” side.
Have I come across as rude or dismissive that you felt the need to mock and belittle me? I tried to form my response respectfully while pointing out possible areas of bias.
Why would I comment on your usage?
I am not ignoring anything, I just literally cannot speak to your experience. I can only speak to mine.
They’ve been grifted, yes. I know they have because I’ve had these conversations over and over again. They come to me with some sort of untrue statement. I ask them where they got it. They say Google. I ask them if it’s the AI Overview and they say yes. I ask them where the AI got that information. They have no idea. I use a real search engine, find an authoritative source that directly and clearly refutes their statement, and they’re confused as to how I got it. They are completely ignorant to the fact that it’s constantly wrong and that it’s use is literally making them dumber, not only because the answer is wrong, but because they’re not actually exercising their brain to find it.
You should speak to others experiences because you are making the universal statement that is has literally no uses, contrary to many people stating they have, in fact, found uses for it.
So either every single person that believes they have found a novel use for it is wrong. Or you have universally decided that none of their experiences are valid in forming your opinion.
Considering I have found a use for it, that does not require it to write code, paint pictures, or tell me I’m right about everything, why is my usage invalid in nullifying your statement that “GenAI does not have any uses.”
There is no ambiguity in that statement, and yet I have found use for it.
My brother in Christ, what did I just say? I literally cannot. I don’t know anything about your experiences. They’re your experiences. And I just finished explaining exactly how people’s experiences are invalid because they don’t understand what’s happening. What do you want?
You’re contradicting yourself and not seeing it. You’re universally saying it has absolutely no uses, and using your own experiences and others, as evidence. When counter-evidence is provided, you dismiss it because you can only speak from your own experiences.
Either other peoples experiences are valid, and you must accept that some people have found genuine uses for the technology, despite your hatred for the industry and the false marketing around it.
Or other peoples experiences are not valid, in which case there’s no point in talking about anything, because you will not consider it valid unless you personally experience it.