Oh I didn’t detect any snarkiness, just you being to the point, which is a thing I appreciate.
But I’m often considered impolite. I think it’s a culture thing.
But I must admit I am annoyed by you contradicting me, but it’s even worse that you were right.
I find that generally offensive.
So I’ll go sulk in corner for a few minutes. 😜 😋 🤣
The (claimed) source:
https://github.com/deepseek-ai
Investigating further I can see it is NOT open source. All the articles saying that are lying, probably unknowingly just as I believed the claim, they probably did too, and I’m NOT being sarcastic!
I have no idea why publishing these “weights” is considered open source, it has nothing to do with Open Source as defined by OSI, which I believe has a historical right to the term.
I apologize.
your changing the definition of open source software.
https://techwireasia.com/2025/07/china-open-source-ai-models-global-rankings/
The tide has turned. With the December 2024 launch of DeepSeek’s free-for-all V3 large language model (LLM) and the January 2025 release of DeepSeek’s R1 (the AI reasoning model that rivals the capabilities of OpenAI’s O1), the open-source movement started by Chinese firms has sent shockwaves through Silicon Valley and Wall Street.
And:
DeepSeek, adopting an open-source approach was an effective strategy for catching up, as it allowed them to use contributions from a broader community of developers.”
I’ve read similar descriptions in other articles, seems your claim is false.
OpenAI and such are working overtime to lock customers in.
Of course they are, I just thought they hadn’t figured out how yet. 🤥
Oracle doesn’t need a bailout, they are loaded, and can afford this loss. But of course an investment not being as profitable as they promised means the stock goes down. It’s not like the company is anywhere near being in trouble.
The dataset is massive and impractical to share, and a dataset may include bias and conditions for use, and the dataset is a completely separate thing from the code. You would always want to use a dataset that fit your needs. From known sources. It’s easy to collect data. Programming a good AI algorithm not so much.
Saying a model isn’t open source because collected data isn’t included is like saying a music player isn’t open source, because it doesn’t include any music.
EDIT!!!
TheGrandNagus is however right about the source code missing, investigating further, the actual source code is not available. and the point about OSI (Open Source Initiative) is valid, because OSI originally coined the term and defined the meaning of Open Source, so their description is per definition the only correct one.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_source
Open source as a term emerged in the late 1990s by a group of people in the free software movement who were critical of the political agenda and moral philosophy implied in the term “free software” and sought to reframe the discourse to reflect a more commercially minded position.[14] In addition, the ambiguity of the term “free software” was seen as discouraging business adoption.[15][16] However, the ambiguity of the word “free” exists primarily in English as it can refer to cost. The group included Christine Peterson, Todd Anderson, Larry Augustin, Jon Hall, Sam Ockman, Michael Tiemann and Eric S. Raymond. Peterson suggested “open source” at a meeting[17] held at Palo Alto, California, in reaction to Netscape’s announcement in January 1998 of a source code release for Navigator.[18] Linus Torvalds gave his support the following day
Your ignorance is not a valid point.
https://techwireasia.com/2025/07/china-open-source-ai-models-global-rankings/
OpenAI CEO Sam Altman declared a “code red” last week as the upstart faces greater rivalry from Google, threatening its ability to monetize its AI products and meet its ambitious revenue targets.
Interesting that even Sam Altman is worried now!
AFAIK there are also problems that Chinese companies have their own tool chain, and are releasing high level truly open source solutions for AI.
Seems to me a problem for the sky high profits could be that it is hard to make AI lock in, like is popular with much software and cloud services. But with AI you can use whatever tool is best value, and switch to the competition whenever you want.
It’s nice that it will probably be impossible for 1 company to monopolize AI, like Microsoft did with operating systems for decades.
Hopefully things will work with Wayland at that point.
I used XFCE many years because there were bugs and limitations in KDE I couldn’t live with.
Now I’ve used KDE for about 2 years without issues, and they pull this stupid stunt!
I still have XFCE installed, and when I switched to that my games worked fine again. Then when I wanted to switch back to KDE/X11 I couldn’t. It was friggin removed as an option after the latest upgrade, despite I specifically used KDE/X11 instead of Wayland because of a KDE/Wayland limitation that you can’t disable compositing.
I do use compositing, but I like to have the option to disable it if I need to. And it was when I noticed I couldn’t disable compositing, I switched to XFCE to see if that worked.
So long story short, I had to install a kde-x11-session package to be able to switch to it? WTF??
I must admit this incident has made me think of switching to another distro that respect user settings more.
PS:
My short trip to XFCE was quite nice, they have refined the design some since last I used it. But damned I’ll have to port all my hotkeys again, I used top have them in xbindkeys, but I moved them to native KDE to be compatible with both X11 and Wayland. 🙄
It would be nice if we could switch MESA version as easy as we can switch the kernel.
to some disappointment is still using Mesa 25.1 series graphics drivers
Good call IMO, my distro just upgraded to MESA 25.3, and I’ve had problems with black screens in games since that. I even tried switching to older kernels and since it’s apparently not the kernel, my guess is on the MESA driver.
PS:
I use a Radeon RX 6600 XT GPU, and it has worked fine for years before the upgrade.
I checked the cabling first, and that the card was firmly socketed, but they are fine, and it clearly happened after the kernel/MESA upgrade??? It doesn’t happen in desktop, only in games.
EDIT!!!
Turns out it was KDE/Wayland that caused the problem, for some reason the upgrade moved me from X11 to Wayland, and I had to install X11-session for KDE, after switching to that it works fine again.
Sad that Wayland which is supposed to be the better supported option now fails where X11 is still going strong.
It was never a major part of my job description, and I lost interest doing small hobby projects.
OK thanks for clarifying. 👍
it being not obvious what happens under the hood
To me it feels like it does things I didn’t ask it to. So I’m not 100% in control 😋
the idiomatic version of a loop in Rust usually involves iterators and function composition.
What? You need to make a function to make a loop? That can’t be right???
C-loops are easy for me to understand.
Absolutely, the way C loops work is perfect. I’m not so fond of the syntax, but at least it’s logical in how it works.
OK that’s new to me, I have to admit I haven’t been looking at it for years, I do not feel comfortable following Microsoft specifications, as Microsoft has a long h9istory of fucking things up for others on purpose, and their safety record is probably among the worst in the industry.
I 100% agree, but some would consider that a matter of ideology.
The other point about dependency on USA when they are acting with hostility is more pragmatic.
99% of people don’t understand all the reason why open source is better for public services, except if we can say it’s cheaper. That’s the one point they understand, and the one point Microsoft has been attacking most with their propaganda against open source.
I am willing to bet that the ownership paradigm that it enforces is going to feel at least moderately new to you
Absolutely, I am more used to program closer to the iron mostly C. My favorite was 68000 Assembly, python is nice, but I prefer compiled languages for efficiency. Although that efficiency isn’t relevant for basic tasks anymore.
The compiler error messages sound extremely cool. 👍
Thanks, I might take a look at it just for fun. 😀
That actually made me laugh out loud. 👍 🤣