I do agree Chrome was the better browser, hell I switched to it primarily after a few years because of how much faster it was.

I don’t really think that’s the case anymore though, Chrome has been enshittifying for years now, and in my experience, they’re pretty on-par, except of course I can use extensions without the impending doom spectre on Firefox and on mobile.

Always? Firefox existed before Chrome

That’s kind of their whole thing

Status symbols

Exactly my feelings as well, even “time saving” MTX is insidious because it provides an incentive for the developers to slow progress to entice users to buy the mtx.

I’m mostly fine with cosmetic-only MTX but that’s because I’m able to control my impulses on buying those kinds of things the majority of the time, unfortunately I have known people who are not good at impulse control and end up spending literally thousands of dollars on bullshit cosmetics. They don’t even play the game they spent all that money on anymore.

I mean one is literally required to play the game, the other does not.

So depending on what micro transactions are available, it seems worse to require a monthly sub then have truly optional/cosmetic mtx

Oh I know, it’s just what I see in every thread when some kind of outage or major bug is discovered. Half the comments are hurrdurr probably vibecoded.

A large majority definitely hate it to the point of having blinders on for sure.

On one side you have corpo hype/lies, and the other is LLM is slop garbage and terrible for anything, also developers wrote perfect code before LLMs and now everything that breaks is AI slop caused.

They’re putting copilot in everything, it’s not just github that has copilot lmfao

“They’re burning cash too fast”

Their most recent earnings was 82.9B just last quarter, you don’t know what you’re talking about.

I think the reality is open source and normal people are who continuously push progress forward, how much of the internet scaffolding is literally on the backs of open source projects?

A shit load.

LLMs are no different, and I can’t agree with you that open source models are not a threat to the big players.

I’m not sure why you’re downplaying what I’m saying about extending access and lowering prices, yes of course corporations don’t do it out of the goodness of their capitalist hearts, but history shows that it does in fact reduce in cost over time, which was your initial point. “Oh must be nice for you that you can afford $20 a month and have your own homelab to self host models.”

I grew up lower middle class, my home was repossesed by the bank during the housing crisis and my parents divorced.

I moved out at 18 and joined the workforce and have managed to get a middle-class wage via my efforts and a bit of luck. I hate my job and the morons in charge but the job market is shit.

I love open source software and the ideas beyond knowledge and work should be shared with others so we can all benefit (which is unfortunately not how this capitalist system works) and yet we have Linux, we have an amazing amount of open source projects that people do simply because they want to. Those are the people we should support and the ones who freely train and fine tune open source models.

To your point about “software doesn’t become faster with time” mother fucker I remember windows 95, you’re delusional if you don’t think we’ve come an insane amount. I remember webpages taking minutes to load, interlacing vs non to help with image loading.

In the realm of LLMs, the software itself on the open source side has improved leaps and bounds in just the past 6 months on my same hardware.

I understand your negativity, it’s hard not to fall into it when the world is how it is right now and things feel like (and are) getting worse in most ways.

Phones require specialized hardware and designing, to run and produce, LLMs only require normal consumer grade hardware and the desire to learn how to make it work. Will it ever be mainstream? Based on Linux vs Windows/Mac, probably not, but that doesn’t mean it’s pointless or impossible.

I’m just showing that as technology progresses and scales it generally becomes cheaper and peoples access increases, again were literally on the internet now and have phones in our pockets that can do it, whereas 40 years ago PCs were much more expensive and internet was slow as hell.

We shouldn’t trust big tech, I’m on Lemmy so that should be a bit of a given lol.

You don’t have to delegate thinking, I’m sure many people will but it’s absolutely not a requirement for using LLMs as the intended tool they are.

On the topic of price, I’m sure people were saying the same things about books (oh must be nice you can afford books), then the same about computers and the internet. They eventually became more affordable.

Not even going to touch the “I couldn’t understand economic heardship” aspect.

Its getting better all the time, its crazy how much better consumer level hardware can run competent models (even if it’s lower params) these days compared to just 6 months ago.

That’s literally not what you said, you said “LLM code can not be auditable” which is demonstrably wrong.

Go ahead and move the goal posts though.

Self host an open model, but yeah 20 a month is not that expensive for what you can do with it.

But that’s not what anyone in this thread is saying, they’re saying LLM code bad and stealing so let’s poison open source projects. Also sharing code is bad now, when I’m sure many of these people would claim they like open source code.

Again, I think knowledge and code should be free for all to use so that we all benefit from it.

Like all of human knowledge, I swear you antillm people are out of your mind.

Here we have a way to bring coding and creation to the masses at a much lower bar and most of the LLM projects I see are MIT licensed, it’s literally a revolution for open source but half of you are pearl clutching and acting like god damn Microsoft.

Yes it can, its literally still code.

I just moved from a Fold 4 (hinge broke or something, when I opened it the screens would go blank and only recover on a hard reboot) so I got a Pixel 10 Pro, flashed graphene and spent most of yesterday reinstalling apps more intentionally.

Authy refused to run, which is fine as I’ve been too lazy to swap from it even though I’ve been pissed since they got rid of the desktop app. Anyway I went through the 9 sites I had setup there and swapped it over to my vaultwarden.

Other apps that didn’t install were EBay and Coinbase, both I can live with using the mobile browser instead (don’t use them all that frequently anyway).

The amount of times I’ve had AI solve a problem my 30+ year senior couldn’t figure out on his own applications he’s been working on through that entire time…