Because you realize you don’t need it anyway.
As a non IT person I find Linux way better for installing software. The sort of apps non IT people use. The Software store has most of what I need. There rest I install the Windows way. From a website. Apps with a Linux version almost always detect and offer a Linux button to click to install. I wouldn’t know what to do if that didn’t work. Ditch that application I guess. My distros are pretty standard. Not hacked about. My apps are not too weird. I’ve been doing it this way for 14+ years. Never needed the CLI either.
You didnt waste those hours, you learned something.
Nothing that useful, apart from learning again that reading error messages properly can save you much pain.
That’s a useful lesson to have stick
No System Package
Build System Package
Gentoo makes it soo easy.
I installed and then ran Gentoo for about 9 months back when it first came out, before Robbins stepped down. I remember the install was pretty involved, but after that it was a pretty sweet system. I keep saying I’m going to go back to it, but just can’t be bothered anymore. As good as it was 20 years ago, I’m sure it’s even better now.
Yeah, basically handling all the caveats is now automated and you can choose to use binary packages.
God bless flatpak for these cases
I honestly can’t remember the last time I’ve come across a package that I needed that so obscure that it wasn’t found somewhere as at the very least an appimage, if not a flatpak. I haven’t had to build from source in I don’t even know how many years now.
What? Its something I do quite regularly.
Try making music on Linux. You’ll be compiling obscure shit and tweaking configs all the time.
True. But I was coming at if from the perspective of an every day user coming from Windows. email, word processing, internet, etc… Even gaming and photo editing.
The more professional the needed software gets, of course the more obscure it gets.
General use package? Sure Specialized package to do something specific in a specific field? Good luck.
I still have flashbacks of installing a c++ library which had to be transpired (or whatever the term is) to c# for another library to work, and having to go manually fix several function and type declarations manually to make it work. And we are talking about the golden standard library in the field…
I think it depends on the distro. Nixos is pretty bad for this if you want to try out a project that is really new. If you wait a month or two a flake usually comes out somewhere.
This is why you use Arch/Nix because the package is likely in their repos.
The software probably still won’t work, but you can waste more time on it.
so true
and yeah i can confirm i’ve been using linux for 7 years…
Things have gotten so, so much better over the last 5 or 6 years.
Flatpak, appimage, docker are just brilliant.
I recently discovered nix and am in that honeymoon phase of trying to hit every nail with that hammer.
When the dependencies need dependencies and then those dependencies need dependencies, the rabbit hole is endless!
For those of you old enough to remember, rpm dependency hell
Times like this are an argument for why it’s OK to occasionally reinvent the wheel.
no system package install distro that has it on a chroot
Yeah sure, I gonna setup everything again just because a single piece of software is not available on my pc
distrobox create… done
pfft. ln -s new_library.4.4.7 old_library.4.2.8
all done!
If it would be that easy. The problem I had was, that I installed a dependency using my package manager, but to compile my originally wanted software I had to provide a cmake file (of the dependency I installed via my package manager) to the compiler, which I of course did not have.
This often comes with the *-dev version of the dependency. The normal one contains the binaries, the dev version includes headers and often the FindPackage
yeah that’s different
I wish Lemmy was able to have emoji reactions to comments just so I could react with a horrified face to this comment.
In lieu of that, I’ll just have to put it here: 😱
it is no big deal if the package dependency for a library just got swept up in the upgrade cycle. if the needed function call didn’t change, no problems. else you just get a linker error.
Glad im not the only one. Thats one thing that makes me go man, people will never leave windows for this, this is insanely complex to juat install a program.
I find it fun to learn tho
Windows; have to search online for correct website, sift through ads to find the download, install while avoiding malware or extra programs that try to install alongside.
Linux; Sudo pacman -S firefox. Done
This is true for some but it doesn’t work like that in reality. Its much easier to install on windows vs linux, thats just how it is.
Don’t even get started on flatpak vs .Deb vs compiling vs snap…explaining that to a windows user makes them about lose their mind.
Windows wins here. Click exe. Install. Done. AND the benefit of being allowed to install to a different hard drive, which linux will not allow without a ton of hoop jumping.
Linux is great but let’s not pretend windows doesn’t do certain things much better.
Also, not being able to see all your installed programs in one place because they are a blend of .Deb, snap, flatpaks, and compiled. It becomes a mess very quick if youre not careful.
WARNING MAY SEEM A BIT HARAH,
this is a meme community, so pls take this as satireAs if you would see all your installed apps on one place in windows, lol
Only most, but that is the same on Linux. Only if you go to Linux thinking it should be complex it will go complex
If you just stay at the install way your distro wants you to use, you will get no mess.
Arch -> yay Opensuse -> gui and https://software.opensuse.org/packages Fedora -> flatpak Ubuntu -> snap Debian -> APT Nix -> the nix file thingy
My opinion is to pick distro based on how you want install apps preferably as main deciding factor
Result will be same as on windows, most apps will use the standard way and will all be listed on the same place, and you will have some obscure apps from cocky devs who think that only their preferred install way is correct and that everyone say something else is stupid
It does work like that in reality for almost all programs.
For obscure stuff you can use yay or whatever other user repository you want.
yay “program name”. Done
I’ve been doing this for years without issue.
Also you can list all your installed programs. On Arch it’s pacman -Q and yay -Qm.
It’s so easy a baby could do it. And apparently arch is supposed to be the most difficult.
You’re forgetting, not every program in the world exists in your repository.
When they do, great, but doesn’t always happen. Make mkv for one, you have to get the linux version off their site custom.
Also it seems you may be one of those people driving people away from linux saying normies are idiots and need to rtfm. Maybe work on that.
See, your problems are of your own making. https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/makemkv
You are the only one driving yourself away from linux.
You resort to personal insults, then get blocked. Want advice? Stick to vtech.
if you use any modern distro installing most software is braindead easy. if you have to compile something yourself (which isnt that often) it can get quite funny because one hell of a lot can go wrong.
LMAO, back in my Slackware days (3.4, 3.6, 4.0, 7.0), If I had to build from source, which was most things, step1: ./configure step2: install the missing package step3: goto step1 until no missing packages identified step4: make step5: make install
Sometimes my packages were too old, So I would just go to step1 for each package that also needed to be newer. I’m not even a Linux Expert, and I definitely wasn’t a Linux Expert then. All the building from source helps me jump into software projects and become productive real quick though.
make: error: libX11.so permission denied or not found make: failed, something something finishing remaining jobs.
dear god what does it mean
I get that your issue was probably more nuanced than that, but what’s so confusing about inatalling missing build dependencies? If projects have a build guide sometimes they’ll straight up give you an install command for your distribution. If not, it’s up to you to find the package names corresponding to what you need to install since they can differ from distro to distro.
