What do you use for syncing your password manager between your Android phone and your PC? Apparently Nextcloud doesn’t support two-way syncing on Android for some reason, and Syncthing-Fork is still untrustworthy since the disastrous handover. The AI generated profile picture of researchxxl doesn’t exactly inspire confidence either, neither does his GitHub bio:
Hi! My name is Jonas and I like to use my coding skills from games and modding to continue work on the Syncthing for Android wrapper.
Everything about this person screams vibe coder.
Bitwarden is an alternative, but I don’t like how non-standard it is. It’s cumbersome to manage and backup, meanwhile the KeePass format is just a file that I can backup wherever and however I want and there are many frontends to choose from.
Have you solved this?
Vaultwarden
Vaultwarden, no question. When I used KeePass, I had Synology Drive which worked well to sync.
@clifmo @versionc not on android but vaultwarden syncs across basically everything. Mac, Linux, Windows, ios, and should hit the bitwarden app and extensions on android too. my only extras catch is I put it behind my tailnet. so I have to have the device on it to see it. Though if you are trying to stay away from bitwarden/vaultwarden I’m not sure.
Works perfectly on android. Push notifications, sync, passkeys, everything
Bitwarden.
Paid. Not because I need the added paid features, but because I value it and want to show my appreciation for the developers.
Paid bitwarden.
I use Bitwarden too. I now use the paid version (which is incredibly cheap) but I was able to sync between Android and PC without the paid for version iirc
The only (known to me) perk of the paid version is the encrypted storage (and probably the org feature).
So yeah. I see it more of a donation/appreciation than a service fee.
But the recent peice increase stung a bit.
I use Vaultwarden. Each synced device is a backup, so there’s no real need to keep anything further than that, but I do keep one backup of the server files anyway.
Yeah, that’s a good point. There are still a few cons though:
- If the server goes down (or your internet connection goes down), you can’t add entries to your database. Local changes aren’t allowed.
- Bitwarden doesn’t support supplementing your passphrase with a key file.
- The Bitwarden clients aren’t enitrely FOSS as far as I understand, the SDK used has a non-free license.
There are pros and cons in both alternatives, and there is unfortunately not a perfect solution. I like the idea and philosophy behind the KeePass format, so the increase in syncing complexity is worth it (for now at least).
It’s true re adding passwords while the server is offline, but my server runs 24x7 and it’s never down for more than a few minutes. If it goes down, I fix it. I also backup the encrypted DB regularly to cloud, so there is little risk of data loss. I am a very satisfied Vaultwarden user. Especially because it allows password sharing with my family. Everyone has an account.
Vaultwarden handles the syncing for me.
However I do export backups on both my phone and laptop just in case.
Do you do it manually into e.g. protected json, or to a normal zip (the former doesn’t support attachments as far as I know)? Or have you found a way to do it automatically? One con that I’ve read about this is that backups from one version is not guaranteed to work on another version. Thanks.
Well with Vaultwarden any synced device is a complete backup. So you don’t need to worry about version issues.
In the event of a server fail, can you export from any device?
Yes, but do not log out. If you do, you can’t log back in, and you can’t export. I’m paranoid so I still back up my encrypted db to cloud on a schedule.
KeepassXC and Nextcloud. Been working fine for years.
Same setup here. Worked for years and I’ve no plans to switch. As long as Nextcloud is up, bidirectional editing is simple. Trouble comes when one of the clients edited the KeePass file and can’t sync.
Its a port of linux
passwith git built in.You backup your passwords in a private repo and sync back and forth. It’s great if you already use
passYeah,
passhas been discussed a bit in the thread already, but there are a few security issues that keep me from using it. Speaking of security, I had no idea the Android app was archived in 2024. That’s quite a long time without updates. Are you using a fork?Thank you for sharing your workflow either way! Using a git based solution would be amazing.
I’ve been using KeePass for almost 20 years now, used to host the database on Google Drive. I started using Syncthing about a year or so ago, including Syncthing-Fork on my Android devices. It’s nearly flawless - I sync the database across 6 devices (two phones, two laptops, gaming PC, NAS [which is backed up regularly]), so there is the occasional conflict maybe once every few months, but I think that’s more user error than anything else. It’s fairly easy to resolve since Syncthing clearly labels the affected file.
It’s very important to remember that “Syncthing-Fork” IS NOT the official Syncthing project. Syncthing-Fork uses Syncthing under the hood while providing a mobile-friendly wrapper.
Edit - Re: Syncthing Fork “drama”:
Catfriend1 (the original maintainer of Syncthing-fork) recently put in their 2 cents.
TL;DR - The new dev is fine.
For me personally, the fact that 1) devs from both F-Droid and Syncthing itself have reviewed and confirmed that the code is safe, and 2) the original maintainer vouched for the new guy, is good enough for me. There will always be those who refuse to trust anything, even from the original developer, and they are often the most vocal about it - i.e. the “vocal minority”. Whether or not you want to listen to their criticisms is up to you. IMO, they’re just beating a dead horse.
Vaultwarden with the Bitwarden Android app and browser extension for my desktop. I already have a solid system for backing up the important data for all my docker containers. As soon as I added it, it was automatically added to that process.
My spouse has an account so if I die she can gain access to my passwords with a simple request. That’s function is important to me.
My exact answer as well. Saved me some typing - thanks :)
Personally, I use Keepass with syncthing and it works fine enough. If you don’t really trust the new person behind Syncthing-Fork, you could always install the older version before the handover (I think before v3.4?).
If you really don’t trust syncthing at all, you could just manually back it up. New passwords aren’t made every day, so you could just copy the passwords database over between your devices whenever there’s a change. That’s what I did before I heard about syncthing, and is what I do with my music still, since I don’t regularly update what music I listen to.
On Android I use KeePassDx Syncthing-Fork. The handover was rough but the maintainer of the Play version joined researchxxl’s team. Many on the Syncthing forum seem to have accepted research which is good enough for me. Also, KeePass’s database in encrypted so no danger there.
Do you store TOTP in a seperate KeePass?
For me swappog between two Keepass DBs is annoying. I can’t find anything that will sync my 2FAs.
I don’t. Kinda seems silly to me.
To access a keepass file you already need 2 factors: the master password and access to the file.
Its not really 2 factors if it’s stored in the same DB though.
I came from Bitwarden where the community recommendation was to not store passwords and 2FA together in the cloud. If a beach orccurs and you lose both then there wasn’t a point in having the 2FA.
Less of a risk with a local solution but still not sure.
Yes, it is two factor, it’s just that there is no additional factors required to get the TOTP.
If you don’t use a password manager then you just remember your passwords. In this case the second factor is having access to a device that has your TOTP generator.
If you use keepass then you remember the password for your password db, and to access your passwords or TOTP you need access to a device with your keepass db.
If u have 2fa in the same database u can login on devices you don’t trust. E.g. a coworkers computer/public computer in library.
Yeah. So that seems to remove the 2 from 2FA…
Well yes, but no. If you only operate your password store on devices you trust, then even typing in your password on a device with a keylogger active, won’t compromise your account since you have the 2nd factor (e.g. the TOTPs)
Keepass + syncthing = win
bitwarden
seems odd you say how cumbersome it is to manage and backup (not an issue I’ve faced though) and yet you are using some cumbersome alternative ?
Keypass with the vault loaded onto a free OneDrive account.
Just back it up occasionally.
