The reason the FCC is only allowing the sale of state approved routers in the US?
“Oh my goodness, this is a nightmare” typed everyone into their government approved location recording devices that can show them cats and boobs.
Gimme cat boobs.
I am pretty sure you can find those on the MSG website!
wearing a smartwatch that constantly outputs an identifier.
It is easier to just give up and submit, I’ll grant you that.
Huh? No cats on mine , weird.
Sounds faulty
Ok now what router do I buy and what firmware do I flash to plug this into Home Assistant?
and how do you protect yourself against the neighbors devices, especially in a densely populated building
Faraday cage, it’s going to be a hassle to wiremesh your entire apartment, and you can forget using a mobile phone inside of it, but there are no outside signals getting in that way.
If I was a capitalist, knowing I am few and and my power only comes from the resources I own, resources stolen from the masses. I would use my stolen wealth to safe guard my own class interests against the masses. Hence we see surveillance capitalism.
IIRC, when Meta bought out iRobot, it slipped out that they were using Roombas to collect the square footage and entire layout of your house to add to your data sets. So this doesn’t seem surprising at all. Good thing I configure my own router and firewall.
That’s cool and all but if true, why use an animated photo instead of a real life example?
I’m not sure what you think an “example” would look like. It’s not taking a photo of you, it’s measuring what’s distinctive about the way you personally mess up radio signals and how it differs from how other people mess them up. Internally it’s just a ton of numbers.
I assume they want to take those numbers and make a visual representation like a radar return or ultrasound image. Probably wouldn’t really look like anything but still it’d be pretty sick to impress your friends by looking at your 2nd screen filled with green matrix vertical scrolling shit and be like: “the cat wants out.”
a real life example? you mean like a photo of a person next to a router?
Pretty sure this is old news? It’s basically sonar, which The Dark Knight predicted in the film.
Edit: a word
Right? Im pretty sure this is a few years stale and already incorporated in some isps routers
https://www.xfinity.com/hub/smart-home/wifi-motion
https://www.originwirelessai.com/isps-can-do-more-with-wifi-sensing/
https://www.technologyreview.com/2024/02/27/1088154/wifi-sensing-tracking-movements/
The statement from the article was the unlike previously, they used current consumer equipment, and could uniquely identify a specific person. I believe previous versions could just identify that there was “A” person. I don’t know that all that is true, but it is what the article says, and my vague memories line up.
The first time I heard about this was in 2013 and, in 2019, I had a local government management class where wifi sensing in busy downtown areas and stadiums was discussed as a plus side to municipal wifi installations. In the latter case it was described as being available not too far in the future.
Sensing is officially going to be part of 6G, might not be deployed everywhere, but it’s going to be in the standard.
Sounds like the higher frequency 6G would have better resolution (potentially sub mm?) than Wifi 7’s ~5cm. Article about 6G ISAC.
Like a submarine.
That’s it, I’m gonna start violently beating my meat at my router if this is what they’re going for.
Assert dominance
You get it.
The question with mandating US made routers may be either to protect citizens from foreign attacks - or to make sure every US router is a router with a government-approved backdoor.
On which option would you bet?
Why not both?
Because they ignored the first issue for long enough, so it is more or less a non-issue for the US government.
If you read the article ( https://dl.acm.org/doi/epdf/10.1145/3719027.3765062 ) they are testing this in an EXTREMELY controlled enviroment and directed subjects… I have my doubts that this could provide any insight on whether this is even feaseble for public surveillance, let alone effective…
I can tell you as someone who read the papers on very early deepfakes and AI video generation with amazement followed by dread, this is going to be feasible on a large scale in a short period of time. Researchers do stuff on an absolute shoestring budget usually, it’s incomparable to what large companies and governments have at their disposal. There are already consumer products that were able to become fairly precise motion sensors with just a firmware update. Next gen devices will be built with motion fingerprinting in mind, I can almost guarantee it.
Walk without rhythm and we won’t attract the
wormbig brother.I see you are also a member of the ministry. https://youtu.be/iV2ViNJFZC8
It gets more accurate with more access points, too. So corporate and education settings will be the easy places for this to get implemented.
those places would just use surveillance cameras
the devices can still record more accurate motion information for sale
Right. Privacy isn’t a concern in those spaces. Surveillance is typical.
It’s also only possible because the information they used (BFI) is unencrypted.
I would expect them having access to that anyway when they control the device, or when they are the manufacturer
If that data were encrypted it would at least reduce the number of people that has access to it.
It’s a start. It may take time to make it work for “everyday” use, but if it’s possible now, it can be done better in the future.
This technology has been publicly demonstrated about 3 years ago, but I imagine it has been done years and years back. It’s really nothing mind blowing, just the way waves work, workaround believe it or not is the tin foil your walls.
There is now a free home assistant plugin to implement it at home lol. Crazy shit. Imagine what’s possible with classified tech.
I’ve seen YouTube videos of people able to record the image of the the vibration of a potato chip bag through a window to recreate the audio from the room.
That’s pretty neat
Mass data mixed with machine learning pattern identification means what already exists will lead to broken as fuck capabilities for those who own everyone. Ie. Not us.
and this is why you should flood your home with as many APs as possible. I have 17 APs running in my 1000sqft house.
can’t find shit if it’s too noisy.
What’s an AP?
Not much, what’s an AP with you?
Aaaaaaaaaaaay…
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access point
They’re not all sending at the same time. Worst case they just block themselves and each other with their backoff logic and then none of them sends anything at all.
are you sure it works that way?
not sure, but I just keep buying them and installing them. at this point it’s more of a hobby than anything.
I won’t be satisfied until I feel like I’m living in a microwave.
Buy 17 magnetrons instead?
that won’t be enough for every room in my home.
I want even heating without any cold spots.
So…back to wired?
You being wired doesn’t stop WiFi seeing you.
It will in my own home when there is no wifi.
I suspect it applies to 5G phone signals too (because they are in a similar frequency) so you need to live where there are no nearby 5G masts and all your visitors must use Faraday bags.
So it’s now impossible to prevent them from watching me in my own home without making massive sacrifices and costs?
Sure as well is awkward for a mobile phone.
Maybe short distance low power milimeterwave can work. It won’t penetrate through walls.
Nothing new for infosec people…
Christoffer Nolan predicted this!
I clearly need watch more Batman.
