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I’m still mad that a contracting company made me take a general intelligence test and programming test before sending my resume to a client only for the client to reject me because I didn’t have enough experience. Literally wasted over three hours of my life. Not to mention the general test they let me retake because I didn’t finish it in time (if I didn’t finish it that time I may have pulled the ADHD card because wtf that test was insane), so if they just let me retake it for basically no reason, they’re basically admitting it’s bullshit. The programming test was all questions about extremely outdated Spring (Java framework) concepts, like XML configs. Nobody uses that anymore unless they’re maintaining something ancient (and based on the requirements for the position they weren’t, they were using newer stuff).
I dunno I got my job last year and it was two interviews:
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General personality interview, the sorts of normal interview questions like “Who are you? What do you do in your current job” etc.
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Technical interview, which consisted of “Here’s some code. Tell me what it’s doing. How would you make it better?” and then some more general ones like “What design patterns have you heard of? Have you used them? If you have, when and why did you choose them?”
That was pretty good when compared to some of the other jobs I applied for back when I was a student. I applied at Boots, and it was phone interview, technical interview, abstract reasoning test, group work test, a powerpoint presentation, final interview, and then I got rejected. I applied to Nissan, phone interview, big group interview day having to spend money to get to the location, rejected.
I’m a bit more picky these days. One job wanted to record my screen and my face while doing a technical test, and I just refused outright, which pissed off the recruiter because she seemed pretty desperate to fill the role.
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Been working 12+ years (10yrs in current role). I never had a technical interview and my initial interview was essentially a handshake at a job fair.
Pay the candidate a days salary, make the team work with them and day, and let the decide…
I had roughly 5 interviews at the last place. Then they said I had to do one with the VP. Told the recruiter I was getting fed up and suddenly it was waived. Don’t be afraid to push back (unless you are desperate).
Much later on while helping with interviews myself there, I asked why they had this terrible process and they said it was because people were caught cheating with AI. I asked why they didn’t do in-person to prevent that. Fly them out. If they’re invested, and truly interested, they’ll do it. Then I realized my folly after they didn’t have an answer - they’re cheap fucks.
I asked why they had this terrible process and they said it was because people were caught cheating with AI.
How does conducting many interviews help against candidates cheating with AI?
They thought it would help them notice patterns that give it away. Some candidates still got through and they didn’t notice until they were put to work where AI wasn’t accessible.
Man, wish I’d thought of that. The last place I applied I went through two leetcode and two system design interviews, as well as the usual battery of recruiter, manager, and director meetings.
they’re cheap fucks.
This is also the issue with most tech job postings. I got this one job offer, entirely unsolicited from my end, to move across the country to Manitoba to a small town. They were going to offer up to $5000 moving costs. And the job was for a full stack developer. The salary? $42k Canadian.
I emailed them back telling them in blunt terms that their offer is insulting and far too low for any developer role.
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My last interview was for a job I was on the fence about. I decided to go though the process anyways. I did a coding assignment that I aced. Then I had an interview with their recruiter.
Then I met with two developers. They grilled me for an hour. It was a fine conversation, we got along.
Then I had an interview with the boss of the dept. That went well.
Then they wanted me to prepare and give a technical presentation to some directors. At this point I told them no thanks.
You should have asked them who to send the invoice to
Don’t participate in such a process and the problem solves itself (unless you are very desperate). As long as companies find some idiot who jumps through these hoops, they will continue to do this. When they realize that they are deterring candidates with this shitty process, they might start changing it.
Interviews have always been a crappy way to determine candidate quality. Eventually people started to realize this, but then their idea was just ‘what if we did the same thing, but twice?’
‘what if we did the same thing, but twice?’
That’s just a perfect way to describe it.
It’s like disposable razors… Just keep adding blades
It’s still like this here; more than one interview or special evaluation or whatever is only for high trust jobs.
Post 2008 crash grad who eventually made it into engineering. I didnt realize this world existed so recently. I’ve never had less than three interviews for any job other than receptionist.
I’ve been in the industry since 2001 and think maybe once I had a one-meeting cycle.
Graduated with an engineering degree just before the teens and have always had multiple round interviews :/
I was a platform engineer for a cyber security company for 6+ years and had worked in another ramshackle garage-based startup before that. I was burnt out and angry all the time. On call for a week out of every month.
I recently got a job writing software fully remote for a medical device company with a single 30min interview with a non-technical manager.
They don’t even know how to use my skills well. My “mentor” can hardly write an Excel formula. My boss has once seen an excruciatingly simple app I made at someone else’s request. I built it in a couple hours. It has a file chooser button and a run button. Blew her mind. Multi-platform builds are now automated via CI/CD. I seriously over-deliver and they won’t ever know it.
I actually put in about 30 hours/week and bill 40. I have 3-4 short meetings a week to interface with a couple vendors. None of them, even my 1:1 with my boss is on camera. It just isn’t done. I get maybe 2 chat messages and 2 emails a day.
Easiest $150k/yr ever. And my spouse has great benefits through work.
Why the hell would I ever go back to “tech?”
My “mentor” can hardly write an Excel formula. My boss has once seen an excruciatingly simple app I made at someone else’s request. I built it in a couple hours. It has a file chooser button and a run button. Blew her mind.
Ah, so that’s the reason I bitch constantly about my medical device. I swear it was coded by monkeys.
If it gives you any solace, we’re not in the device software group and don’t even interface with them.
medical device company with a single 30min interview with a non-technical manager.
Easiest $150k/yr ever. And my spouse has great benefits through work.
You hiring? Jesus that sounds amazing
I feel like every time I have changed jobs the number of interview sessions has gone up by one. My first job didn’t even have a coding session, just a single conversation with the boss and another engineer.
I’m job hunting right now and it is so ridiculous how many interviews I have for each place. The last one I went through an hr phone call, a manager phone call, a remote coding session, a presentation, a whiteboard coding session, a schematic review, a general C++ quiz/architecture conversation and a follow on remote coding session. I ended up not getting it because the whiteboard guy didn’t like that I didn’t remember the formula for an n-dimensional plane off the top of my head.
I ended up not getting it because the whiteboard guy didn’t like that I didn’t remember the formula for an n-dimensional plane off the top of my head.
What do they want? A walking wikipedia or someone who knows how to look up necessary stuff, evaluate it and put it appropriately into practise?
I did five interviews and a project for the last job I didnt get. I’m scheduled for interview number four for a job I’m working now.
When I was hiring engineers I capped it at three interviews, maximum two hours of candidate time.
The reality is that if you know shit about your job, you will know if someone is a good fit in the first 10 minutes. If they suck, you will know it faster. It doesn’t take hours and weeks to hire people, you just have to grow a set and be secure that you know your shit.
Google has done studies and experiments with their hiring process and determined that after three interviews you aren’t getting any more signal about candidate quality. Their internal interview training talks about this, I’ve read their reports and the methodology seemed pretty sound. Yet for some reason they still usually do five interviews. Why? I never did get a good answer for that.
Those kind of experiments are done to blog about. I remember Atlassian did a 4 day work week experiment, wrote a blog singing it’s praise, then deleted any internal employee messages that asked if we would implement it.
I’m going to do my favorite thing and blame HR. Useless lot of muppets they are. I have yet to work with an HRBP that was anything better than useless. Ask a question about worker rights in India or Singapore, get dumb looks and an empty promise to find out. Ask for support when hiring, yeah that is someone else, but we dont know who.
Time and time they just fail to deliver anything useful. I just cannot overstate how underwhelmed I am with the entire discipline. From the chronic laziness to the ingrained stupidity of them, I have no idea why they still exist. I don’t even know how they buy groceries, pay their bills and walk upright. I presume they go back to a building where they are locked into a case, hoses attached to feed and extract waste while they just stare into the middle distance. They dont need to be sedated or entertained as they dont know or care about the process. They just exist.
Second everything you said, good god. If I ask HR a question I’m lucky to hear back in a week if at all. They ask us to sign shit, I sign it, they ask me to sign the same shit I signed because nobody checked their inbox for my reply.
I’ve seen this and the other extreme, like at my current job. We hire basically anyone, overlooking obvious flaws, then give them a basically blank check for fucking up. I don’t know why no one can get the balance right. Don’t hire just anyone, but also don’t grill the living shit out of the candidate! A single one hour interview is probably enough, but also don’t be so forgiving that anything off about the candidate needs to be noticed by everyone on the hiring panel to matter.
Im in my last year of highschool… this scares me
The market’s in really poor shape right now…; that said, if you plan to go to a four year college, that’ll be 4 years before you have to break into the job market and a lot can change in that amount of time. So don’t hold the current predicament too closely as certain.
yeah, it’s absolutely madness that some companies expect people to go through 3 to 6 rounds to receive a “we’ll let you know”
I just reject those companies. And i let them know. Politely but still let them know.
Its worked out well last couple of years.
Same, I’ve started just stating I have a maximum of 3 interviews I do before I auto-reject the offer.
This has had interesting results.
I’d like to know more about the interesting results you’ve gotten if you don’t mind sharing.
Getting a later special meeting request with the ceo, at one company, because he wanted feedback on their interview process itself. He then offered me a different job and I had to decline cuz I already accepted another (this was a few weeks after the initial decline I gave)
In another case they just fast tracked me and I ended up declining the job anyways (didn’t like the job)
I’m full time employed but I still do occasiobal interviews to keep feelers out for how the market is. But I typically decline most offers cuz they’re not good enough to get me to actively quit my current job.
Wow, that’s a way better reception than I would have expected!
What kind of interesting?
I bet it’s like when Peter stops giving a shit in Office Space.
*Proceeds to butcher fish on the desk mid interview*